tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post111323142493771924..comments2023-10-31T07:13:33.019-04:00Comments on VivaNedFlanders: Politics from the pulpitNFlandershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11284950332573759898noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1114615357012195842005-04-27T11:22:00.000-04:002005-04-27T11:22:00.000-04:00And I was just going to say what Anonymous and Mik...And I was just going to say what Anonymous and Mike said.<BR/><BR/>I don't think that, officially at least, the Catholic church has been particularly politically conservative. It's just that the abortion issue seems to trump everything else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1113586071979616152005-04-15T13:27:00.000-04:002005-04-15T13:27:00.000-04:00I was going to ask the same thing as the last anon...I was going to ask the same thing as the last anonymous poster. I disagree with the Pope's stand on birth control, however I do respect the work he did.<BR/>He was consistent in his pro-life stance being anti-death penalty and fairly anti-war.<BR/><BR/>He was also somewhat left of center economically. <BR/><BR/>It does bother me when people are quick to embrace the possible political allies while ignoring everything else about them. Living in the (kind of) south I see this with Mormons lining up politically with the same ultra-conservative Christians who are writing anti-mormon material.M.A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09546131957413554218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1113408911444249852005-04-13T12:15:00.000-04:002005-04-13T12:15:00.000-04:00Did the Bishop mention anything about the Pope's p...Did the Bishop mention anything about the Pope's position on the death penalty? How about the war in Iraq and the "war on terror" in general? My guess is that he didn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1113338456301699612005-04-12T16:40:00.000-04:002005-04-12T16:40:00.000-04:00Good point, Rusty, but I think you have to admit l...Good point, Rusty, but I think you have to admit life is probably harder for Saints of the liberal persuasion.<BR/>I didn't know there <B>were</B> Mormon liberals before I found <A HREF="http://www.bycommonconsent.com/" REL="nofollow">By Common Consent</A>.<BR/>The ironic thing is that, politically, I'm not all that liberal. But when it comes to Mormon issues I am probably on the far left of the scale.NFlandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11284950332573759898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1113277478784676362005-04-11T23:44:00.000-04:002005-04-11T23:44:00.000-04:00What? Only an hour! Try SS/EQ, one can usually ki...What? Only an hour! Try SS/EQ, one can usually kickstart a good discussion - say something a bit liberal and watch the sparks fly...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1113258183493397992005-04-11T18:23:00.000-04:002005-04-11T18:23:00.000-04:00Wow, m. Very inappropriate. It reminds me of a mis...Wow, m. Very inappropriate. It reminds me of a mission companion who in our district prayer asked God to help me be more obedient. <BR/>Good times.NFlandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11284950332573759898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1113252056611893552005-04-11T16:40:00.000-04:002005-04-11T16:40:00.000-04:00Hey - don't be sad about it if it's true. It's go...Hey - don't be sad about it if it's true. It's good to have different perspectives. I don't think you're mean spirited about it - you don't seem to have any particular agenda.<BR/><BR/>Not sure if this applies to you, but the church drives out a lot of the more reasonable, compassionate people, so the majority of the people in the church are right wing traditionalists. I wish more people would stay in the church like you, because then maybe we could take it over from the current crazies who are running it (with all due respect).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1113251480296685392005-04-11T16:31:00.000-04:002005-04-11T16:31:00.000-04:00I hope I am not just going for blog-able material....I hope I am not just going for blog-able material. That would be kind of sad.<BR/>But it is true I have only gone since I started this blog, so maybe it's true. <BR/>But I doubt it.NFlandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11284950332573759898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1113249481552016382005-04-11T15:58:00.000-04:002005-04-11T15:58:00.000-04:00I agree that faithful members should be allowed to...I agree that faithful members should be allowed to disagree with each other over political issues. Unfortunately, this is not the reality. Political issues are tied up in social and religious issues, and most people don't understand how to separate them effectively, so they just follow conventional Mormon behavior. <BR/><BR/>As to your point about going to church, maybe you're going for entertainment and for new material for your blog. I usually go because my family makes me go, so I'm not casting judgment here on your motives.<BR/><BR/>However, I bet that some people sitting next to you in church are not there because they are true believers, but because they can't get out of it going without causing a lot of trouble in their lives. So, I bet some of the people listening to that bishop's talk were rolling their eyes along with you (at least inwardly).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1113241833260079352005-04-11T13:50:00.000-04:002005-04-11T13:50:00.000-04:00To be perfectly honest, I don't know what I am goi...To be perfectly honest, I don't know what I am going to church for. I had a free hour on Sunday, and I thought, why not? I fully realize that I'm not exactly the target audience for the Sunday talks.<BR/><BR/>I do know what I don't want though. I don't really want to be told what to think about political issues that aren't based in church doctrine. <BR/>I think faithful members (which, again, I'm not) can honestly disagree about politics and we should be more careful about what's preached from the pulpit.<BR/><BR/>If it had been anyone other than the Bishop, I wouldn't have put too much stock in it.NFlandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11284950332573759898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11231724.post-1113232916109455952005-04-11T11:21:00.000-04:002005-04-11T11:21:00.000-04:00What are you hoping for? Why are you going to chur...What are you hoping for? Why are you going to church? <BR/><BR/>Also, you usually have to discount what people say over the pulpit - they're usually just trying to impress everyone else with their quick wit and insights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com