Tuesday, March 29, 2005

Satan's plan revisited

I promised myself I would stop linking to outrageous posts on Times & Seasons and Millennial Star if I didn't have something to add. Well, this time I do.
A recent post on Millennial Star (and immediately seconded on Times & Seasons) states that the author will strongly encourage his children to go to BYU, because "most modern-day universities administrators seem to be nothing more than owners of Las Vegas casinos who watch the depravity going on." Now this may not be the stupidest thing I've ever read on M-Star, but it's close.
I find it telling that the authors of both posts reference I Am Charlotte Simmons by Tom Wolfe to bolster their claims about modern university life. Now, I haven't read the book (nor do I plan to as it is supposed to be terrible), but most reviews I've read say that it is an embarrassing 74-year-old man's fantasy of what goes on at college. Let's remember that Tom Wolfe graduated from college in 1951. As for what reason both of these hyper-righteous super-conservative bloggernackers are reading what amouts to a dirty old man's fantasty, I'll leave you to decide. (No R-rated movies please, but bring on the smutty literature that backs my warped world view!) I graduated from one of the most liberal universities in the country in 2001, and I think it's sad that older parents allow themselves to be scared by fear-mongering demagogues about the moral state of universities.
But the larger point that I want to make is that it is impossible to shield children forever. And I submit that the harder you try to protect them, the further you will end up pushing them away. The author of the post admits that he doesn't let his kids watch TV. It seems that he never wants them to see the real world, for fear that they will follow in his (now repentant) footsteps.
How is this any different from Satan's plan in the pre-existence? He didn't want to give us any agency so that we would never have an opportunity to sin. He wanted to make the entire world like a big BYU (proof he is evil) so we could never falter.
Let's allow our children the same agency that Jesus gave us all.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Although I don't think it's generally good form to poke fun at blogger's beliefs, I have to agree that I am baffled by the idea that you should send a child to BYU to escape the evils of the world. If the BYU honor code is only thing that is keeping your child from having sex and drinking, then I hope your child never graduates and works in the real world.

I went to school in Utah and in Boston. I got into a LOT more trouble in Boston than I did in Utah. Partly because I had escaped from the iron grasp of Zion and felt that I was old enough to try things out on my own. I don't regret my days of experimenting with sex and alcohol, but I don't think I would have been as quick to break free from my Mormon inhibitions if I had more of a basis for not doing things because I was told I shouldn't do them.

I think the poet Milton described this concept the best - it's called cloistered virtue. It's much easier to be virtuous when you are forced to be virtuous. The real test becomes when you can break the rules with impunity and no one will ever find out.

I think one of the reasons why the folks over at Millenial Star might be so worried about their children letting go of the iron rod, is that they themselves might struggle with their own issues of cloistered virtue. Let's take away everyone's choice to do evil, and then we'll can force everyone to be good. This was Satan's plan, and it IS amazing that so few Mormons recognize it as such.

NFlanders said...

Anonymous: I do want you to know that I struggle with how to respond to some of the more strident posters at M-Star and T&S. I don't want to call them out by name, but when they have posts on two of the three Big Mormon Group Blogs, I feel they are fair game.
I also try not to make ad hominem attacks and just focus on what they are saying (I admit that I am not always successful in this).

Rusty-- I did have a post about the no TV thing a couple weeks ago. And I agree: it's a bit scary.

Anonymous said...

I went to high school with a girl raised in a nice protective environment. I'm not saying that she wasn't prepared for the challenges of the real world, but I am saying that the nice teenage molly mormon was a pregnant meth-head within two years of leaving home. And I could start counting the other nice protected girls from high school who didn't get into meth but did get pregnant once they stepped out into the wide world of BYU.

Anonymous said...

There has to be a way to protect your children, but also to allow them to explore the world and find out for themselves what makes them happy and what can screw up their lives.

The Mormons definitely err on the side of protecting their kids from the evils of the real world, but I've seen the problems associated with the other extreme of parents letting their kids do whatever they want to.

Mormon kids find out pretty quickly that normal people drink and smoke and have sex and are quite happy and fulfilled doing these evil things. And then the Mormon kids feel duped and upset that they never got to enjoy drinking with friends or having sex with people they cared about.

Thomas said...

I actually read "I Am Charlotte Simmons," thought it was pretty good, and didn't think it exaggerated university social life all that much. A sweet young Provo girl going to USC probably wouldn't have much different an experience than the fictional Miss Simmons.

Anonymous said...

For almost five total years, I maintained a long ponytail as an active mormon male. I also had facial hair and refused to wear white shirts. During the experience of it all, I quickly recognized those who were pure in heart and those who weren't.

I think there is a danger amongst the "straight gate" types which may become so blinded by the "letter of the law" that discerning the "spirit of the law" is put aside.

It saddens me to see so many of my fellow brethren and sisters become so puffed up by their convictions that they disparage others who don't believe exactly the same way.

In the end, everyone of us will receive our just rewards for our actions.

Anonymous said...

I nearly wet my pants laughing when I clicked on the link to the post you were referring to. I haven't been to that blog over a year yet very well remember his kneejerk dittohead mentality that screamed ingorance loudly and often. Thanks for the laugh.